Well, the Gators won!
They are the SEC champions, beating Alabama!
I guess God does care about football! That Bible verse on Tebow's cheeks probably did the trick!
You Gator fans sure as hell better be in church tomorrow morning!!!
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33 comments:
wow jacob you seem like a very angry person! so what if tebow where a scripture passage on his face ... why do you care?
you describe yourself biblical scholar and theologian??? what are your credentials? just b/c you are pissed off at religion doesn't make you an expert on them.
tata
Anon. Before you write, please learn how to use the English language. When you expose your ignorance relative to punctuation and grammar, you tend to look bad.
And that's not good, especially when you accuse another of being "angry," and not a biblical scholar and theologian, as well as "pissed off at religion."
You missed the mark all three times, too. Did you know the word, "sin," means "missing the mark?" I'll bet not.
I'm having the time of my life playing head games with fundys like you who almost without fail fail to address the core issues about which I write! And why is it that when fundys get their shorts in a knot, they accuse one who challenges their religious nonsense of being "angry." I'd guess it's because they lack the ability to engage in real conversation.
As to my "qualifications," you don't really want to know and you wouldn't believe me anyway. You'll have to trust me on that. I will admit I do not have a PhD but close. How about a post-graduate degree and lifetime of formal education and personal study?
Ok, one #3 you're partly right. I'm kinda pissed at religion--especially of the fundamentalist variety because it makes people stupid and hateful and unable to deal with reality.
Thanks for writing, though. Don't forget to study and perfect your English. After you do that, someone might even take you seriously.
Jacob
Dear Jacob, I think you have a valid point about Tim Tebow having a Bible verse reference inscribed on the black markings on his upper cheeks. It sets him apart as different.
When Tim Tebow dresses up for a U of Florida football game he puts on his uniform. He has an outfit that matches the colors of the school and matches the outfits of his Gator teammates.
Putting a Bible reference of Phil 4:13 in plain sight on his cheeks marks him as being non-uniform with his teammates.
Whether or not he will be allowed to continue to have the Biblical reference on the black rectangles on his cheeks is up to the University of Florida.
Tim Tebow wants people to know that his strength comes from Christ Hence the Bible verse about the ability to do his part to put U of Florida in the national football title match.
Will he be allowed to have the Bible reference on his cheeks for the game? Who knows? He may be asked to take it off because it is a matter of church and state. Taxes go to support U of Florida making it a state school.
What if, to maintain uniformity, the whole U of Florida Gator football team wore the Bible verse under their eyes and on their cheek black? Do you think someone in the media would notice?
Tune in and find out in Miami on January 8, 2009. Go Gators.
Dear Kenny,
You make some interesting points I really hadn't thought of -- the church/state thingy, especially.
But like I have said all along, I don't give a rat's ass what Tebow wears on his face. I just thought it kinda dumb and worth kidding around about.
But I'd also suggest that if Tim wants to evangelize about some fantasy that the legendary Christ gives him extra strength to be a great football player, that's fine, too, but he really ought to do that in church and not a football field.
That's kinda like those freaks that hold up signs with the John 3:16 reference.
Nobody cares! What makes it even worse is that 99.9% (a guess) think the guy holding the sign is a moron.
People go to football games to drink and yell and cuss and have a good time, not to be evangelized.
Go Gators? God in heaven!
Jacob
What if the opposing team has two verses? Does that mean the winning team has God on their side? Where does it end? If an atheist has the Constitution on his cheeks and wins, what does that tell us?
Dear Jacob, Tim Tebow is setting a precedent.
"A common law legal systems, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court or other judicial body adopts when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts." Wikipedia encyclopedia
By putting the Bible reference of Phil 4:13 on his eye blacks on his cheeks and playing for a secular, state run university, Tim Tebow is doing something that is outside the box and different from the normal uniform dress code for a Ukniversity of Florida football player.
He is mixing football with the Bible and doing it openly. In the history of United States college football no Heisman trophy winner has ever put a Bible verse reference on his eye blacks and played in a college football game.
I did a google search on the matter. Your web site came up first on the list for "Tim Tebow, Bible verse, cheeks". There were over 200 other sites. Tim Tebow is famous.
People are noticing the Bible verse reference and asking questions, especially on the University of Florida campus.
U of F could not have gotten to the national championship BCS bowl game without Tim Tebow. Pure and simple. Because he got them there will they respect the precedent he has set by trying to evangelize those watching the championship football game on January 8, 2009 in Miami? Stay tuned.
Dear Kenny,
I am so glad that Tebow is "precedential."
Maybe by his presenting such a precedential precedent people the Repugnicans will think him become popular enough to run for president?
Nah...one god-fearing prezident is enough. Look at all the damage that clown did!
Tebow needs to be careful though that he doesn't turn off all the pagans out there who think he's a flake for wearing a Bible verse on his cheeks.
What would Jesus say about that? (See Bob Poris' comment for today on the original post).
Have a great evening.
Jacob
P.S. I hope this cheeky writing doesn't become "precedential," thought 'cause there are a lot of Bible verses that might be adjudged immoral by our "morality police" at the FEC.
Kenny...sorry I wasn't watching what I was doing. In paragraph 2, excise "people," and "become," and in the P.S. change "thought" to "though."
Thanks.
Jacob
Dear Jacob, I will do more research tomorrow on what Tim Tebow's consequences and influence are due to wearing the Bible verse on his cheeks. Thanks for your interest. I do hope he does not turn people off because what he is doing is considered 'flakey'.
It’s a good thing he hasn’t decided to play nude, which would also set a precedent.
Dear Jacob, I did some research. You are right about noticing the matter of Tim Tebows Bible verse in his eye black on his cheeks. It has been drawing national attention. Here is one example from a Washington DC university.
"As the quarterback for the University of Florida, Tebow is representing a public university, and his fans certainly aren’t all Christians. Beyond this fact, it is again a case of an athlete bringing an agenda into sports. The patches draw attention to himself, and to his message, which distracts attention away from the other players and the team itself."
By Jamie Leader
November 07, 2008
Source: The Hoya, Georgetown
Tim Tebow was not the first person to put a message on his eye black. But a Bible reference causes controversy on the football field. I commend his efforts and agree with the verse's message. I pray that he will be allowed to wear the Bible verse reference on January 8, 2009 in the BCS Championship bowl game in Miami, Florida. Go Gators.
Ah, Kenny...what's the point of this facial evangelism again? I think I'm getting confused. Is it to let the world know that Tebow believes Jesus gives him strength to lead his football team to a winning season? Or is it to proclaim that he's a Xtian? Or is it to provoke non-Xtians watching the game to look up the verse, fall on their knees, and claim Jesus as Lord?
Why do you commend his efforts? Why do you pray he'll be allowed to scribble on his face for the championship game? Shouldn't you be confident that if god wanted that on his face god would take care of the details?
Such a weak, impotent god you folks believe in. And frankly, what with all the other troubles in the world, I'll bet god doesn't even watch the game on January 8. She must have better stuff to do.
Tell me, too, isn't this facial evangelism terribly sophomoric?
And I think my attempt at a little pleasant mockery has gotten out of hand.
Have a nice life.
Go Gators? God in heaven!
Jacob
If others pray that he take of the face messages does that indicate whose prayers get the desired results? I am missing something. Why not pray that victims of terror, violence, starvation, rape, war, etc should surviveand defeat the evil forces? Surely there are better causes than some football player in the USA that thnks writing on his face is more important than lives in danger. If prayer works, it should not be wasted on frivolous matters. Pray for Muslims to act like Christians are supposed to act. Pray for good things. Trebow is self centered apparently and thinks winning a football game more important than other cuaes.
We waste time on this.
Dear Jacob, I am pressed for time. more on Monday
Dear Jacob, Tim Tebow has two agendas for the January 8, 2009 BCS championship bowl game. The second agenda is to play well and possibly beat the University of Oklahoma in a football game.
The first agenda is to witness to the world that his strength comes from Christ. He will get the strength message across through the painting of "Phil 4:13" on his eye blacks.
Somebody is probably going to paint the Bible reference on the eye blacks just before the game as has been done for several games now. Will the verse make a different in the outcome of the game? It just might make a difference in Tim Tebow's performance.
Tim Tebow made up his mind after the Ole Miss loss that he was going to work hard to win. He has carried the University of Florida team on his back since the loss. He has decided to play to honor Jesus Christ and represent U of Fl.
I commend Tim Tebow's effort to witness for Christ. If Florida loses, then the secular world may blame it on the eye black message. But if Florida wins, then what would the secular world say? Watch the game, Jacob, and read Tim's cheeks. Go Gators.
Dear Kenny,
Yuk!
What a god you believe in!
Jacob
Dear Jacob
You know I really do look up to Tim Tebow and I hope that he is able to wear the Bible verse in the championship game. Im not saying all Christians are out to convert, but its great to see a spiritual person that has an all around package. And what I mean by that is that he is very smart, athletic and I am sure he has a great personality. As a fellow athlete, I do believe that God has given certain people gifts, but it is all on how one uses those gifts. See I read in a article that Tim stays away from the temptations of college, and maybe there is a big connection there. As for me, I have made my mistakes and I have paid for them. It is great to see a person like Tim Tebow to stand up for his beliefs because he sets the right example for the "corrupt" Christians. Other than that I like your posts and you bring up good points.. But all now all I can say is GO GATORS! and God bless you all!
Great for Tebow! Why does he feel obligated to impose his views on others though? I would not want to be reminded by Muslims that I have not selected their views as the right ones. I can choose for myself. He is fortunate to live in a society that allows him to choose. I suspect less popular religions do not feel as free as he does to wear his religion on his face. In some parts of the world, wearing a visible cross can lead to death. We do have a separation of church and state which has allowed us to have diversity without bloodshed. He is free to practice his religion but I wish he kept it out of the public domain and out of sports. It could lead to excesses and violence if the wrong symbols are used in the wrong venues.
It is a little arrogant to put on your face a message that says "I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus." REALLY? God also talked to Eric Rudolph and David Koresh.
The football players with Bible verses on their cheeks probably think it will make up for the postgame roofied-cheerleader gang bang.
Perhaps we should put the whole thing in perspective. Isn't it more productive to wear a message of hope than to simply announce one's area code? One of my favorite quotes is "what you do speaks so loudly I cannot hear what you are saying". Tim Tebow is willing to walk the walk in the national spotlight when so many others just pay lip service to their beliefs. Come on people, ALL public figures have an agenda - at least Tim Tebow has the courage and conviction to be honest about his. No matter what your spiritual beliefs, it deserves respect.
Dear Anon.
Please! Painting a bible verse on your cheek is not "walking the walk"! It is, in your words, "lip service" writ large! All it says is that he believes something.
It means nothing at all or 1) he's trying to get in good with god, 2) he's disrespecting all other religions that don't believe as he does, 3) he's just a flake who thinks this is a cute way of evangelizing.
And do you really think all religious beliefs deserve respect? How's about Santeria? Wicca? Paganism? Actually most religious beliefs should be mocked, not respected!
Jacob
I admit I don't have time to read through all of these comments to see if someone else has already covered these topics. So I'll just jump right in and make a few comments.
First of all, public or not, I'm sure that Tim Tebow--along with the rest of his football team-bring in quite a bit of money for their college. If he's a star, and I don't follow football enough to know (or care), what are they going to say? Stop? I doubt it.
Secondly, why do you even care what Tim Tebow writes on his face? You are as entitled to NOT believe in God as he is TO believe.
Oh. Before I forget, if my grammar and punctuation skills are lacking, I apologize. Fortunately I have never felt the need to judge the intelligence of another based on petty criteria intended to make me look superior and them stupid.
I really like the Bible verses on Tebow's eye paint patches. I admire it actually. And I find it really awesome. If anybody has a problem with what he's doing, then he/she should get over it and get a life, seriously. If you wanna represent your faith, whatever that may be, by doing something similar, go right ahead. Wear a huge t-shirt sharing what you want to express for all I care. Freedom of Religion. And like I said, people who get upset about something as small as that need to get over it and get a life.
Tebow's eye black "advertisement" was unnecessary to the game. I wondered if some Christians would be offended by a secular humanist message like "There Is" and "No God" on two eye black patches?
It is unfortunate that some Christians push a Christian Supremacy or Dominionist approach. They disregard offending those outside their faith. Americans have a wonderful right to practice their religion, or none at all, but this is an individual or private right, not an issue for public exploitation.
Coyly placed self-righteous "advertisements" have no place at a nationally televised football game. Intolerance, fanaticism and extremism can be dangerous so let's agree that it is fairer to everyone if we keep football un-messaged.
Can someone please explain to me how placing a Bible verse on your cheeks is "intolerant", "fanatical", or "extremist"?! That is the most bizarre thing I have ever heard. God has blessed Tebow with incredible talent and, while I'm not in his head to know his intent, it sure seems to me that what he's done is a great way to thank God - by telling everyone what he believes to be true. I love how you all are criticizing him for "pushing his beliefs onto others" when that is EXACTLY what everyone who leaves a comment on this page is doing. I am SO impressed by his display of faith, especially when I'm sure he knew that all of this criticism would come his way. That's all any of us can do in life-what we believe to be right. Furthermore, I don't know him personally, but from what I have read and heard he seems to be a pretty exemplary guy and even if God didn't exist as some of you claim (which, yes I will "impose" my beliefs on you - He does), Tebow's effort to be a good person comes from his faith. So aside from the fact that believing in God brings you a peace you can't possibly fathom, everybody should jump on board Tebow's train (of Christianity) and start acting on the principles it is based on. I work hard to do the same myself. Thankfully, I have a forgiving God for the times when I fall short. He's your God too.
Tebow gives new meaning to "wearing your religion on your sleeve". You might call it "wear your religion on your face". The whole incident seems to be an "in your face" type of behavior. Perhaps next year Tim can get the University of Florida to put a cross at each end of their football field to replace the goal posts! Then only God can make a field goal or extra point possible by permitting or causing the football to go through the uprights!
Seriously, I think that any messages written on a football players face are inappropriate.
Dear Jacob, and all other Tebow Haters,
I'm not certain you know what it's like to be a division one quarterback and likely you don't because well Jacob you might because you're so into yourself and into making other people feel small its impressive. But being a division one quarterback and a moral man at same time is so impressive and actually mind blowing. Most football teams have a culture to them, a culture of family and caring, of partying and having a good time. So what happens when this highly touted freshman walks in, he chooses not to conform but to show that the his a man to be respected for his religious views. So Tebow goes out his freshman year and wins the respect of his teammates and the university. From there he is launched into the limelight and uses his status as a platform, he could party with the best if he wanted but he has picked an inspiring moral road so get off the eye black lay off a man thats better than you and me and go do something to make a difference
@ Bob cattyhookey - Heh. Heh. I think I shall be a quarterback and a "moral" man and make a difference. Heh. Heh.
You can have your quarter back. Your silly two-bit rant made no sense.
What is a "moral" man? Oh, he's one who loves Jebus and write a bible verse on his cheek and tosses a football in the air.
Heh. Heh.
By the way, I really like Tim Tebow.
Gee, the Bible scripture under his eyes didn't help his team beat Alabama.
Did you see the big baby cry after they lost?
I'm willing to bet the reason he wears scripture under his eyes has absolutely nothing to do with winning the game. That's kind of the whole point. He realizes that football is just a game. I'm glad someone as famous as him is still humble enough to admit that. Also, I'm pretty sure you would cry if you lost the SEC championship too, just sayin'.
Jacob
Please tell me if you are of Jewish heritage, Jewish religion, or Israeli.
Thanks
Donald
@ Donald - Why do you want to know? It's really none of your business. Tell me if you are Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, or just a goofy Xtn fundamentalist...
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