Friday, October 31, 2008

No Christian can vote for Obama says Xtian right extremist

[Photo of the "godly" Ms. Porter]


Janet Porter is intimately acquainted with god. Or so she thinks.

And god has told her, through his "word," that one cannot be a Christian and vote for Senator Barack Obama.

In an October 28th article at Worldnetdaily.com, Ms. Porter, erstwhile defender of the deity, said:

"To all those who name the name of Christ who plan to willfully disobey Him by voting for Obama, take warning. Not only is our nation in grave danger, according to the Word of God, so are you."

Uh, oh! Watch out! God's gonna get ya!


Why would Ms. Porter say this about a fellow Christian believer?

It's all about abortion, naturally. If that bad man, Obama, is elected, he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act and that will signify the end of the world so far as Ms. Porter is concerned! Now this is soooooo serious that Ms. Porter offers up "God's voter guide" which you absolutely must read before you go to the polls. Here it is:

"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life [her emphasis], that both you and your descendants may live (Deuteronomy 30:19)."

I'm always amused by the way fundy Christians take the Bible and bend it to support their particular viewpoints. The passage she cites has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion. This kind of biblical manipulation is essentially disrespectful of the book she pretends to hold so dear.

Then she quotes Exodus 20:13 - You shall not murder.

And John 14:15 - If you love me, keep My commandments.

Barack, she says, may claim to be Christian, but it is obvious from reading Isaiah 29:13, that he is not.

So, says Porter: "Obama-Biden are pro-death. McCain-Palin are pro-life.

"Now choose life that you and your children may live."


Oh, yes, "...this election is not about race. It's not about the economy. It's about obeying God."

Jeez, I didn't know that! Wow. Thanks, Janet, for setting me straight. And the liars and character-assassinators, McCain and Palin, are God's favorites! Holy crap!


Ms. Porter isn't done, though. "Obama," she says, "will use your tax dollars to kill innocent children, and then he'll take your paycheck and use it to 'spread the wealth around.' ...

"Be forewarned: If you willfully disobey God on life and marriage because of race or false hope for the economy, you will usher in the kind of change that brought the Soviet Union to collapse."

I didn't know that, either! What kind of change was that? Ms. Porter doesn't say. Perhaps she's not sure. She should check with Ms. Palin who can see Russia from Alaska. Is Ms. Porter saying that Obama's a commie? Sounds kinda that way.

For certain, though, according to Ms. Porter, voting for Obama will bring the nation crashing down!

Her final word:

"If the word of God matters more to you than your perception of personal gain ... "Then obey Him in the voting booth and out of it. If not, do us all a favor and quit calling yourself a Christian."


Nothing like a little godly hate to start or end your day!

If you want to punish yourself, you can read her entire article here.

4 comments:

byfaith1 said...

In my Opinion, if we would look more at the moral issues instead of the finacial issues in choosing who to vote for in this race the choice is easy. Its Mcain all the way. fix the moral issues and the financial will fall into line.
Mat 28: 19,20 should be for front in the decision.
KJV

Jacob said...

Dear byfaith1...

You reiterated Porter. And you have a right to your opinion as does she. It is, however, the height of presumptuousness to assume that you know the mind of god, or that you can determine what is a "moral" issue in a secular country like the US of A.

It appears you would feel much more at home in the Middle Ages where the Church decided the "moral" issues for everyone.

Some Christians, while believing abortion is serious, do not consider it a "moral" issue but a matter of choice after serious reflection and consideration of other options.

Who the hell does Porter think she is to say those people are not Christians?

That kind of character-assassination is a moral issue. The war in Iraq is a moral issue. An economy that feeds the rich and starves the poor is a moral issue. The lack of health care for children and the poor is a moral issue.

Do you really think McCain is a "moral" man? From day one he was a bimbo-chaser. He ran out on his disabled wife to have an affair with the blonde, but very rich, bimbo to which he is now married.

He has waffled on the issue of abortion, which you would know if you had truly studied his career.

He has waffled on 187 issues at last count. Changing your mind is one thing, but the evidence is clear he changes his mind which it is of benefit to him. Most egregious was his waffling on torture, where he voted in favor of it in spite of all his yammering against it.

His campaign has consisted mostly of scurrilous attacks against Senator Obama - lies, in fact.

His vice presidential running mate is not only not prepared, but a liar and a cheat as recent events in Alaska bear out, and belongs to a dangerous, extremist religious group who believe prayer will put her in the White House.

Now, that's a moral issue.

Sorry, but your argument fails on both ends. For many of us, abortion is not THE moral issue or not a moral issue at all. To make it the sine qua non of the election is to close your eyes to the real "moral" issues facing our country.

And, you must always remember that whether you like it or not, this is NOT a fundamentalist Christian country. It is not your right to determine for the rest of us what is "moral" and make laws accordingly.

And finally, why would you quote the KJV - the version of the Bible based on a previous translations that we have long known to be horribly inadequate and simply wrong?

Actually, why quote the New Testament at all? You can believe all that stuff if you wish. That's fine. But please don't try to foist it on the country as a whole.

If your god needs something done, I'm sure he/she can do it without your help. If not, you need a new god.

Jacob

Anonymous said...

Porter quotes Deuteronomy freely. I was under the impression that the Old Testament was the basis for the New Testament and was the original word of God. I would assume that God meant people to obey His words. Why not quote all of Deuteronomy and Leviticus if one wants to follow the original words of God? Where is it written that God changed the rules and allowed His followers to pick and choose from Leviticus etc? Why are we eating pork? Why are we not following the rules in our daily life as written in Leviticus? Who decided we could ignore some but not others? If God wanted to revise the rules, I am sure He could have done so over the centuries. The only written words of God seems to have been on the tablets he gave Moses Perhaps because they were written in a language other than English, many have a bad translation. Go back to the source and get an accurate translation, then tell us what God meant and wanted. Who is Porter to ignore the rest of Deuteronomy? Does she have a written message on the lintel of her doors as required? Does she follow the rules re food; killing of food; ways to worship that seem strange to modern day Christians, yet are God’s words, we are told. Does she read or speak Hebrew or Aramaic? How about Greek and then Latin and then English? Words have meanings within a historical context. Only God really knows what He meant and He might have changed His mind. Most intelligent beings do if they see a change in circumstances. I think the earth is different than it was when God gave the tablets to Moses.
I could be wrong, but I do not question God and have only the words someone tells me He wrote long ago. Either one believes or one doesn’t. In any event, the world has kept turning even with abortion, murder, genocide, etc. it will continue after the election. Most moral questions are up to each individual to decide and act upon. God can stop any action, I am told.
Bob Poris

Christian said...

This is for Bob Poris. While you seem to know parts of the Bible, you seem to have a lot of questions about it.

"I was under the impression that the Old Testament was the basis for the New Testament and was the original word of God."

Bob, that is not entirely correct. The Old Testament is history from creation until about 400 years before the birth of Christ and focuses on God's favor on the Jewish people. The New Testament is the history of Jesus' ministry, the founding of the Church (which now included non-Jewish people), the teachings of the Apostle Paul, and the prophecy of the end times and the Return and Reign of Christ. The Old and the New are all one and there is no discrepancy in the teachings between them.

"Where is it written that God changed the rules and allowed His followers to pick and choose from Leviticus etc?"

God never allowed the Israelites to "pick and choose" from Leviticus--God spelled out what was required to be holy before him and this was the Old Covenant. The "problem" was that there was no way for anyone to keep the law perfectly (therefore all the sacrifices that were needed in order to make things right). God "changed the rules" with the death of Jesus. Since Jesus was not only God but also man (and the Messiah), and he kept the law perfectly, his death was the ultimate sacrifice over breaking the law, and that ushered in a New Covenant. (See Hebrews 8:13). Part of this New Covenant is actually an expanded scope of the Old Covenant, for example, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21-22). This New Covenant will continue until Christ returns again to rule and usher in final peace.

"Go back to the source and get an accurate translation, then tell us what God meant and wanted.... Does she read or speak Hebrew or Aramaic? How about Greek and then Latin and then English?"

So seem quick to cast stones without providing any clarity on the issue. You are so upset with Poter's "selective" and "faulty translation" she uses for her argument, yet you provide no proof you know what you're talking about. Why don't you expound on what the proper meaning is and what the original text means? What is the proper translation (if any) we should be using?

"In any event, the world has kept turning even with abortion, murder, genocide, etc. it will continue after the election." and "God can stop any action, I am told."

Things will keep going on, however not because there is nothing wrong, but because God is waiting. "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

You say: "Most moral questions are up to each individual to decide and act upon."

The Bible says: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death" (Proverbs 14:12)

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