Very, very fine summation of the show and Rick Warren's hokum. If Rick Warren were not also an advisor to and close friend of President Obama I'd laugh instead of worrying. Then again, I live in Panama, so I can laugh. Then again, Venezuela is only 200 miles away, so I worry. Then again, Venezuela provides 1/2 of the US's heating oil and jet fuel and is allied with the Russian Republic which provides about 10% of all the US's energy products and have a PM who doesn't give a wooden kopek that Obama "made history," so when all he reckoning is done, I'm laughing at Rick Warren because he's a tool!
Jesus Kelso! I didn't know Warren was "a close friend" of Obama. Are you sure. The christianist right has taken Warren to task for having Obama in his church, but it seems of late Warren is falling back into the same old pattern cut out by Falwell and Robertson - as evidenced by this interview.
Great comment. I thought living in Florida was conducive to paranoia, you know, what with the massive military power, Cuba, just 90 miles off our shores!
One other thing, Warren may be a tool, or a fool, or both. I just wish these christianist wingnuts would stay the hell out of our government!
JACOB: I am as sure as I could possibly be about the close relationship between Obama and Warren. PLEASE don't take my word for it, though. Research it for yourself.
Living in Panama which is a majority Catholic country but has full separation of church and state and has freedom of and from religion enshrined into law, I don't get to worked up about religion. In fact, organized religion here is much mellower than in the US. The Catholic Church here doesn't express an opinion about homosexuality or birth control or abortion or anything political. They want worshippers who ENJOY being there. It's basically a Jesuit liturgy about Jesus being "el dios de amor" ("the price of peace"). I'm Jewish by ethnicity but I don't bother going to shul here because they don't have any Humanist shuls. I like going to shabbos dinners though because there's no religion just a great meal with a mix of a lot of people of different religions and no religion.
When I deal with Americans, I self-identify as ATHEIST because religion is so very much a part of poltical life in the US and with such bad outcomes.
I think if commentators on news programs are going to quote the bible as part of their news, they should be asked to open the Bible and show the passage they are quoting. These idiots are not experts on religion and frequently cannot answer the questions relative to their quotes. Their personal beliefs are not backed up with contemporary evidence as there are no written records of Jesus, his teachings, or even contemporary witnesses. Belief is simply belief. It is not evidence. One is entitled to believe in devils, witches, angels, leprechauns, gnomes, evil spirits, etc., as long as they do not enforce their beliefs on others. Let us put religion back into the churches where it belongs and leave news, government, banking, the economy, war and peace, etc where it belongs. So far we have no evidence that prayer has prevented any of the human tragedies we read about daily. Most religions do pray and sometimes the prayers are the opposite of their enemies. Does the winner have more pull with God, or re there many gods or what is the answer? Can we stop trying to convince each other that we are right and they are wrong? This is not the proper place for such a contest. Bob Poris
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Very, very fine summation of the show and Rick Warren's hokum. If Rick Warren were not also an advisor to and close friend of President Obama I'd laugh instead of worrying. Then again, I live in Panama, so I can laugh. Then again, Venezuela is only 200 miles away, so I worry. Then again, Venezuela provides 1/2 of the US's heating oil and jet fuel and is allied with the Russian Republic which provides about 10% of all the US's energy products and have a PM who doesn't give a wooden kopek that Obama "made history," so when all he reckoning is done, I'm laughing at Rick Warren because he's a tool!
Jesus Kelso! I didn't know Warren was "a close friend" of Obama. Are you sure. The christianist right has taken Warren to task for having Obama in his church, but it seems of late Warren is falling back into the same old pattern cut out by Falwell and Robertson - as evidenced by this interview.
Great comment. I thought living in Florida was conducive to paranoia, you know, what with the massive military power, Cuba, just 90 miles off our shores!
One other thing, Warren may be a tool, or a fool, or both. I just wish these christianist wingnuts would stay the hell out of our government!
Have a great day!
Jacob
JACOB: I am as sure as I could possibly be about the close relationship between Obama and Warren. PLEASE don't take my word for it, though. Research it for yourself.
Living in Panama which is a majority Catholic country but has full separation of church and state and has freedom of and from religion enshrined into law, I don't get to worked up about religion. In fact, organized religion here is much mellower than in the US. The Catholic Church here doesn't express an opinion about homosexuality or birth control or abortion or anything political. They want worshippers who ENJOY being there. It's basically a Jesuit liturgy about Jesus being "el dios de amor" ("the price of peace"). I'm Jewish by ethnicity but I don't bother going to shul here because they don't have any Humanist shuls. I like going to shabbos dinners though because there's no religion just a great meal with a mix of a lot of people of different religions and no religion.
When I deal with Americans, I self-identify as ATHEIST because religion is so very much a part of poltical life in the US and with such bad outcomes.
I think if commentators on news programs are going to quote the bible as part of their news, they should be asked to open the Bible and show the passage they are quoting.
These idiots are not experts on religion and frequently cannot answer the questions relative to their quotes. Their personal beliefs are not backed up with contemporary evidence as there are no written records of Jesus, his teachings, or even contemporary witnesses. Belief is simply belief. It is not evidence. One is entitled to believe in devils, witches, angels, leprechauns, gnomes, evil spirits, etc., as long as they do not enforce their beliefs on others. Let us put religion back into the churches where it belongs and leave news, government, banking, the economy, war and peace, etc where it belongs. So far we have no evidence that prayer has prevented any of the human tragedies we read about daily. Most religions do pray and sometimes the prayers are the opposite of their enemies. Does the winner have more pull with God, or re there many gods or what is the answer?
Can we stop trying to convince each other that we are right and they are wrong?
This is not the proper place for such a contest.
Bob Poris
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